Curse

Joe Fierce · Sep 22, 2008, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

That is only true if you play straight focused single-role builds.

People tried that in early factions days and indeed they failed at outhealing monk and outdamaging ele. Which is not suprising because Rts were not designed to do that, they were designed to multitask.

But ritualists are kings of hybrids. I'd say caster version of paragon.

Oh i agree with this, the rit is the king of the multi task, a damage while healing at the same time, offensive weapon spells, defensive weapon spells, defensive and offensive spirits, without that heavy of a att split to go both offensive and defensive all at once, which is beautiful in theory, until you realize that the necro runs it better, the same exact damned bar, the necro will run it better with just a bit in soul reaping, I'm not saying this because I love necro, infact, I think it's minorly imbalanced in pve builds, I'm saying this because it's true, and because the necro does so well in this role and even excells in it more often than the rit, it leaves the rit seeming useless, because well, take it in real life terms: if it's your profession to fix cars every day and one day a guy who make shoes comes and fixes a carburetor faster than you can, well, guess whose getting fired?

as for the statement of going through RoF i think it was in hm with two rit healers, i'm not surprised, as was said by someone else already, anything is doable with any crapass build in pve so long as it has the basics and the team does intelligent pulls and target prioritization.

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Originally Posted by JONO51

Rits, i dunno, but really its good to have their skills, just on another class. I guess a better primary attrib could be nice for them.

precisely sir.

romeus petrus · Sep 22, 2008, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by faraaz

Lolz...I'm glad I didnt get the skirt! xD

Short skirt+ cowboy boots = good

Akimb0 · Sep 22, 2008, 07:05 PM // 19:05

These days probably Rt's. They have major issues, simply because every other class in the game can employ their skills better than them. Top off the fact that spirits are far too slow to cast and die too easily, alongside the extremely poor primary attribute and you can see why most players just find them boring to play. What they need is another "one hit wonder" skill like Cry of Pain was for mesmers -_-. That and a totally reworked Primary attribute alongside a better defined skill set. Channeling is like Ele. magic, just weaker, Resto. is like a monks job, just slower, communing is just....meh. I really like Rt's it's just they were poorly thought out.

( As for the other two I don't see many dervish players and maybe mesmers.. )

realtalk916 · Sep 22, 2008, 08:46 PM // 20:46

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Originally Posted by cosyfiep

least popular??
not the rit --I have 2 --I find they can have almost infinite energy and can spike just as well as an ele....it does take a bit to learn how to use them I agree,
mesmer--nope I have 3...

what dont I have...sin,
what do I have only 1 of, paragon, dervish and warrior.

so my answer is: sin, paragon, dervish and warrior.

first of all. i personally think ur wasting toon slots

2nd. warriors are in the TOP 3

Trub · Sep 22, 2008, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by Akimb0

These days probably Rt's. They have major issues, simply because every other class in the game can employ their skills better than them. Top off the fact that spirits are far too slow to cast and die too easily, alongside the extremely poor primary attribute and you can see why most players just find them boring to play. What they need is another "one hit wonder" skill like Cry of Pain was for mesmers -_-. That and a totally reworked Primary attribute alongside a better defined skill set. Channeling is like Ele. magic, just weaker, Resto. is like a monks job, just slower, communing is just....meh. I really like Rt's it's just they were poorly thought out.

( As for the other two I don't see many dervish players and maybe mesmers.. )

RITS SUCK!
They can't do UW/FOW/DoA/Deep/Urgoz/Vanquish...NOTHING!

(Even tho this rare specimen seemed to complete all elite areas, missions, vansquishies, ect.)
It's all a matter of taste folks...if you have fun playing a certain class...don't let a bunch of wannabe- leet farmbois take away from your fun.
~Peace

Joe Fierce · Sep 22, 2008, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by Trub

(Even tho this rare specimen seemed to complete all elite areas, missions, vansquishies, ect.)
It's all a matter of taste folks...if you have fun playing a certain class...don't let a bunch of wannabe- leet farmbois take away from your fun.
~Peace

well, i personally believe that the rit has brought alot of amazing things to the game, and their skill sets are amazing, they really got crippled by anet when it came to their primary only attribute so, that's why i think that they aren't the greatest.

illidan009 · Sep 22, 2008, 10:29 PM // 22:29

Warrior, monk, ele.

Okay seriously now i see a lot of Ritualist hate...personally I think it's fun to play the summon spirits build(only works pve DUH) and WoR is a great spell in RA and AB...paragons are good support but only with SY, which can now also be done efficietly by sins and wars. My mesmer....I admit is mainly for eye candy

Enko · Sep 22, 2008, 10:39 PM // 22:39

mesmers and paragons are awesome.
rits aren't that bad either.

really my least popular class? warrior.

rohara · Sep 22, 2008, 10:55 PM // 22:55

i don't think any class is "globally" unpopular - just unpopular in certain areas. take ritualists, paragons, and mesmers, for example. pve kids seem to think they suck, but you'll be hard pressed to find a gvg team that doesn't have at least one or more of each because they are epic powerful in pvp. its all about which tools are needed for the job.

Red Sonya · Sep 22, 2008, 11:56 PM // 23:56

My choices as 3 worst classes would be Assassin, Mesmer and Ranger. Two of them are the most chicken classes in the game (always running away or crippling yah so you can't kill them fast), the Mesmer would be a chicken also, but, they don't have the run skills the other two do, yet, they do have some good roots or rather slow you down skills.

Nessar · Sep 23, 2008, 01:45 AM // 01:45

Hmm I'm gonna say Paragon, Mesmer & Rit. Like everyone else here xD.

I don't really see tons of paragons in pve. Unless its some high end stuff. I only see mesmers in umbral grotto >> And rits, well one of my good friends uses a rit as her main. Other then that I don't see them.

Now regarding the whole rits suck/do suck arguement...I don't like playing rits. They bore me. I'd rather play a N/Rt healer. BUT, The people I do know who have rits, they pretty much own with them in anyway possible. They know how to handle a rits skills and whatnot. I do find rits really useful, but thats if I'm not playing it. So...guess what I'm trying to say, rits pwn in the right hands. Not saying that anyone uses it wrong or w/e, but to the people who can play a rit w/o falling asleep, more power to them.

Cale Roughstar · Sep 23, 2008, 01:48 AM // 01:48

Rit
Sin
Para

First two are baed, while para is a snooze fest.

draxynnic · Sep 23, 2008, 03:12 AM // 03:12

Regarding Ritualists: It's true that they can't nuke as well as an ele or heal/prot as well as a monk. What they can do quite effectively, however, is perform both roles at once - I'd estimate that while a specialised Ritualist only gets to 80-90% of the effectiveness of the class they're stepping in for, a hybrid can get to 60-70% for each role individually.

This means, for instance, that they can fit a niche for parties that need just a little bit more healing, but not a whole second or third Monk - the Ritualist can provide a little more damage (directly or through support skills) on the one hand and take some pressure off the Monks with the other.

'Course, there are two problems with this theory. First, the lack of a helpful primary putting N/Rts in a dominant position. That N/Rts are so popular, though, indicates that the primary is in fact the main problem with the class - the rest of the profession is actually fairly popular, people just prefer to tie it with a primary attribute that actually matters. Second is the presence of Imbagons.

Back on topic... I haven't pugged in a while so I can't really give an analysis of the current trends, but my gut is saying Ritualists, Dervishes and Mesmers, in no particular order. Especially when it comes to heroes that can't use PvE skills like Cry of Pain, Eternal Aura and... the Kurzick/Luxon PvE Dervish skill whose name currently escapes me.

Faure · Sep 23, 2008, 07:04 AM // 07:04

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

My choices as 3 worst classes would be Assassin, Mesmer and Ranger. Two of them are the most chicken classes in the game (always running away or crippling yah so you can't kill them fast), the Mesmer would be a chicken also, but, they don't have the run skills the other two do, yet, they do have some good roots or rather slow you down skills.

You make me think you're one of those AB wammo's that start shouting in local you are a noob for running away

.

Nothing more fun than pinning down a warrior and slowly kill it with poison+burning arrow, because they only brought some gvg build they picked up from wiki without selfhealing/condition removal.

As of the rit discussion; they might not be the most efficient class (don't play it that much and i suck at it too) but they are (some builds) fun to play; i always play some spirit summon build (pve), because it's awesome to carry your spirits around. \o/.

And flaggers in gvg are generally rits because they can heal a bit and dmg a bit.

elite night shade · Sep 23, 2008, 03:49 PM // 15:49

LOL people think they are bad because people dont play with them...

I dont have a rit myself but my mate does have one.. He'll pwn every single one of u in pvp i think. Just because u dont know nething bout the skills mesmers and ritualist are capable of using it doesnt mean that they suck.

Everyone i see walking by is a warrior o.0 Warriors dó suck i think, seriously.. ( good )Rits can set up sspams and ( good ) mesmers can make your whole party get whiped because your monk has just been shutdowned...

Kosman · Sep 23, 2008, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by Harvester of Sorrows

Ironically those are some of the most powerful classes. @Kagome: Ritualists are completly unique, nothing in common with mesmers, and hardly anything in common with Necromancers, They're unpopular because they're more complex then other classes. Not like your traditional spell caster, even though their channeling spikes are fairly potent, they're more like a support class. They probably have the most in common with Paragons (Being near spirits/being in earshot). My ritualist, can single target heal for 110 with [Mend Body and Soul] while removing up to three conditions (I usually have [Recuperation], [Recovery], and [Life] up), Plus +30 per second, not removable weapon spell [Spirit Light Weapon], add to that 6 health regen (If not taking damage) and shortened conditions, on top of that a full party heal (Once Life dies) for 140 (If it stays alive it's full duration and is pretty easy to do with [Summon Spirits]

Mesmers are also an incredible class, also very deadly, and also difficult to master. They can essentially turn any sort of abilities that their enemy has against them. Like the Ritualist, complicated to master.

Paragons, No clue why these were brought up, I see TONS of them. Not only do they have incredible shouts with numerous effects, most of which are instant-1.5 second cast, they affect everyone in earshot (which is usually the whole party) Plus shouts stack. In a lot of team farming builds they are essential, my paragon can provide the whole team with ridiculous armor, healing, and energy regeneration, while at the same time I dish out some decent damage and gain energy for my shouts.

Even though the Mesmer and Ritualist might be somewhat uncommon, they are not at all in any way bad classes, they're just somewhat difficult to master.

I agree, all professions are unique in their own way.

Tyla · Sep 23, 2008, 04:06 PM // 16:06

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Originally Posted by elite night shade

I dont have a rit myself but my mate does have one.. He'll pwn every single one of u in pvp i think. Just because u dont know nething bout the skills mesmers and ritualist are capable of using it doesnt mean that they suck.

In PvE, Mesmers are mainly useless. The only thing they are truly effective for is CoP, and anything can run that.

Slap a cheap hex on them, everybody in the party hits CoP, done.

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Everyone i see walking by is a warrior o.0 Warriors dó suck i think, seriously.. ( good )Rits can set up sspams and ( good ) mesmers can make your whole party get whiped because your monk has just been shutdowned...

Spirits are weak. Mesmers are incredibly powerful in the PvP scene, but in PvE not so much.

And Warriors are actually very strong. Anyone saying they're not is pretty bad at this game. Dervs are just overpowered.

Master Ketsu · Sep 23, 2008, 04:17 PM // 16:17

Since I honestly don't know what everyone plays, these are the 3 least played by me and why:

1. Paragon. Just feels boring to play as and really doesn't have enough going for them to make them stand out. They are basically long ranged warriors that look like idiots. Plus, alot of skills are passive and require little skill to use effectively - not my style of play.

2. Warrior. Oh oh. I just dislike the build adrenaline system. Part of my dislike for the class comes from my dislike of many of the people who play the class...badly.

3. Dervish. Warrior that buffs themselves and then spams skills instead of the adrenaline buildup. Meh.

Shadowmere · Sep 23, 2008, 04:24 PM // 16:24

well personal views on the classess aside I'd say the least popular classess are
Mesmer
Rit
Para

it's nothing against the classess in fact I <3 my rit. I just don't see very many of them in outposts and such.

t00115577 · Sep 23, 2008, 04:24 PM // 16:24

IMO

Rits - Just average at everything and good at nothing, unwanted in every elite area.

Sins - Good but pretty unpopular because of their reputation, massive dps and no defence. Or thats their reputation anyway.

Dervish - Hmmm, just pretty crap really, theres no way to describe it. Warrs and sins are better in every way, depending on the situation. Even the avatars are only good in pve up to a point.

Also have no idea why mesmers are on anybodys list for this, they have some sick DPS, VoR, CoP (useable by all i know.. but still) empathy and backfire taking advantage of stupid AI